that's what president obama is trying to accomplish. now, there is no overt religious tenet against the nanny state, so those things come under render to caesar. and in a democracy the folks should decide what kind of political system they want. but, number three, number three, unfettered abortion, that's another matter. the far left wants absolutely no restrictions on destroying a fetus, none. as you may know, we actually ha doctor in philadelphia killing babies after they were born, thank god and i mean that literally, the man is in prison. christians generally oppose abortion unless there is a catastrophic situation with the mother. the far left despises that point of view. number 4, gay marriage. here the secular progressives have won. they have turned public opinion around and gay marriage is now legal in many places. once again, the judeo-christian philosophy opposes marriage unless it is between one man and one woman. and it took years for the seq. could secularists to hammer that point of view into the wall but they succeeded. f